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Ministry or Entertainment?

One of the most persistent controversies in the long history of gospel music has been is whether its primary purpose is to minister or to entertain audiences.  It remains an issue today for many in gospel music. This article will not necessarily answer that question, but its intent is to shed some light on the history of this issue and perhaps assist in the reader making that decision for him or herself.

From the beginnings of the tradition we have come to call southern gospel music in the mid-nineteenth century, the purpose of music in church has been a subject of debate and discussion. The complete study of the origins of professional gospel music is outside the focus of this article, and deserves an article of its own. For the purposes of this article, I will summarize the consensus of all the stories of the beginnings of those traditions.

The rise of the Pentecostal movement and the consequent establishment of singing schools and singing conventions in the mid-nineteenth century were the main impetus for specialty singers of gospel song. The pioneering efforts of men such as Aldon Kieffer, Ephraim Roebush, and A.J. Showalter initially were the agents that began a gospel music industry, with their popularization of the shape-note method of singing and their publishing of song books that popularized those techniques.


James D. Vaughn

Enter James D. Vaughan, a Tennessean who, as a boy, became fascinated with music and the shape-note method of singing. When he turned 18, he began the first of many singing schools bearing his name and products, and in order to help sell his song books and other musical products to people, he established a quartet of men to sing the songs in his books, an demonstrate the virtues of his singing methods. Out of this came the first professional gospel singing groups, since the material in Vaughan's books consisted of religious music of the day.

Quartets began to form in the various places where Vaughan had conducted singing schools, and by 1910, Vaughan happened on the idea to form a travelling professional quartet to help his burgeoning music publishing business grow. The great success of the original Vaughan Quartet and other quartets under his sponsorship convinced anyone paying attention that there was money to be made in performing gospel songs before audiences.


V. O. Stamps

The quartet craze began to sweep the South, and soon other intrepid people began to rise up from the Vaughan organization and establish publishing empires of their own. Probably the most successful Vaughan alumnus was Texan Virgil O. Stamps, known by his initials, V.O., a fine singer himself, and a restless, visionary businessman.

By the 1920s, this method of using travelling quartets to sell religious music to people had caught on so successfully, the competition in the songbook field began to get intense. With the help of his brother Frank, also a fine singer and manager of a prominent quartet, and his business partner, J.R. Baxter, Jr., Stamps' Stamps-Baxter Company became the leading music publishing company in the South.

For quite some time, Stamps-Baxter quartets competed with Vaughan quartets at singing conventions, fairs, and whatever venues they managed to appear at. Because of the desire to outsell the competition, quartets from both organizations worked as hard as they could to entertain the audiences as best as possible, and with Frank Stamps' quartet also getting into the brand new field of records, there was another medium that the various singers and their companies would try to conquer to establish loyal followings.

Although it was certainly true than men like Vaughan, Stamps, Showalter, and Homer Rodehaver were motivated to assist churches and other ministries of the time musically, clearly the focus of their work was on maintaining a business, and doing it as successfully as possible. Arguably their work was their way of contributing to ministry in their individual ways. Nevertheless, the focus remained on the businesses, and whatever made them most successful was utilized.

Along with all this activity, the new medium of radio was beginning to be used to establish new singers…people from all stations in life intent on making a living through the singing of gospel songs. Groups like the Speer Family from Alabama, the Blackwood Brothers from Mississippi, and the LeFevre Trio from Tennessee (and later Atlanta) aligned themselves with music companies and radio stations to establish themselves, and travelled where they could to promote themselves and their singing.


Chuck Wagon Gang circa 1938

Around that time, a group from Texas began to attract attention with their simple, heartfelt renderings of traditional and new gospel songs. They were not affiliated with any of the music companies, and like many of their contemporaries, didn't limit their repertoire to solely gospel songs. The Chuck Wagon Gang, led by Dave (Dad) Carter and featuring his children, were endearing themselves to audiences on radio, first in Lubbock, and later in Dallas over powerful station WBAP. Initially they did mostly western songs, with only occasional gospel material thrown in, but as listener response indicated that their gospel material was better liked, eventually they began to incorporate gospel more and more into their repertoire, until by 1940, the group had eliminated all of the western and folk material they had been singing, and stuck to strictly gospel thereafter. That same year, the Chuck Wagon Gang signed the first of many contracts with Columbia Records, an alliance that would last some four decades.

But ask Dad Carter if he was doing a ministry or entertaining, and he would say, "This is the way I make my living. I am an entertainer."

No doubt most professional gospel singers of the day saw themselves in the same way. Although many of them were raised in churches, and sang the songs they were singing because they loved them and thought people needed to hear the message in them, the attitude at that time didn't appear to allow for the singers of those days to think of themselves as anything but singers entertaining people with good, inspiring songs.


Blackwood Brothers circa 1937

But as groups like the Chuck Wagon Gang, the Blackwood Brothers, the Speers, and the LeFevres gained popularity, and thus exposure, it was a portend that changes were nigh in the gospel music industry.

Next month, I'll examine the rise of the Statesmen Quartet, and how the changes they affected in gospel music helped further to establish the lines in this alleged conflict between ministry and entertainment in gospel music.

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Written: 01/01/2006 | Category: SG History 101 Comments: 31
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  1.    RevTabasco ~ 01/01/2006

    RevTabasco's avatar Once again, John, you have done a great job painting the historical landscape for us. I often wonder why we have to make entertainment and ministry mutually exclusive. To me it is a both/and proposition. Ministry that is dull will soon cease to minister. Also, I see entertainment as a ministry - the ministry of lifting our spirit.

    I look forward to reading next month!

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  2.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/01/2006

    John-

    Thanks for your informative, yet brief presentation of the history of this wonderful ministry and artform. Not all people involved in Gospel music perceive it to be ministry, and not all perceive it to be entertainment. Some perceive it to be neither, some both.

    I just love the Gospel and am attracted to any method of spreading it. The word entertainment is not a bad word. It can have two meanings; either strictly for amusement purposes or for reasons of making a story absorbing and fascinating. I tend to appreciate both factors with the emphasis on getting the Good News. The Gospel doesn't have to be boring to be effective.

    If there's a better way to persuade men and women to accept Christ, I'm all for it. But the important point is to proclaim the Gospel, period.

    Keep up the good work that always leaves me wanting more.

    Neil

  3.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/02/2006

    In my humble opinion, much of the controversy over whether gospel music is entertainment or ministry comes from those horror stories we've heard about gospel quartet singers travelling around the country
    drinking, smoking, fornicating, etc. "They're not even Christians" folks would say, "They're only in it for the money."

    That may have been true of many singers back in decades past, but now... guess what? There isn't any money in SG. So those poor "wordly" singers have travelled on to richer climes. Like country music.

    So lighten up, SG fans. Allow yourself to be ministered to AND entertained at the same time. Otherwise, we'll have to pack away our fire-engine red quartet suits, put on some black tweeds, and we'll enunciate directly, from the hymnbooks... and we'll all sound like the Funeral Home Quartet... reverent, safe, peaceful.............

  4.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/02/2006

    Chris, you're not referring to any artists in particular in your comments, are you? Just checking...grin

  5.    Kevin Wicker ~ 01/03/2006

    I grew up loving Gospel, and it's history. I sang it with my family growing up around the ministry.
    I spent a long time out of church, but I can't tell you the numbers of nights I would come home from a night of party-ing -- most times stoned -- and would put on a Goodman or Stamps record to put me to sleep. Pitiful as a lot of you may think, it serves as an example of the power of the simple Gospel.
    I know how some of these Gospel singers have lived first hand. I contributed to the folly. But it never once depreciated the influence this music has held over me.
    That's all because of the actual "Spirit" behind the music itself. Hokus-pokus or not, Gospel music is the greatest music of all time.
    Ministry or entertainment? I think that's just another argument a lot of "religiosos" have to get into. Those folks really need a hobby.
    I say it's both ministry AND entertainment. The two CAN co-exist. Gospel music proves it.

  6.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/03/2006

    All the above are very good comments. The first sentence of this article seems to be asking if the PRIMARY PURPOSE is ministry or entertainment.
    As a minister/singer and "die hard sg fan" I have been ministered to as well as entertained through the years by "professionals" and "part timers", but I have left the concert/church service on most occassions with my spirits lifted and my soul blessed! Whether the
    person[s] call themselves entertainres or ministers, I don't know, but I received from the Lord because I was expecting/anticipating to be blessed and I was! In some cases the people on the stage were very musically challenged, but I was blessed anyhow because my heart was in the right place as I rejoiced in the message of the songs. I consider my/our style of sgm as minsitry because we attempt to lift the spirits of those listening by the message and by a little humor added in. "A merry heart doeth good like medicine..." [Proverbs]. Whether it's entertainment or ministry depends on the recipient's perception.

  7.    Keith Prater ~ 01/04/2006

    What I do today is not dependent on what Stamps and Baxter did way back then. And whatever they did back then has no bearing on whatever is right and true. Are you going to jump off a cliff because someone you admired did also? I don't know what the truth is on this matter, but we are not going to find it by looking back. "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." (Phillipians 3:13-14). God's prize is ahead of us not behind.

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  8.    Kevin Wicker ~ 01/04/2006

    Brother Prater:
    I agree that we must always "..look forward to the things which are before.."
    But, remember that those who have paved the way laid the foundation of what made Gospel music what it is today.
    I'm assuming that you are a Gospel music artist. (Your name doesn't ring a bell -- but neither does mine, so don't take offense.)
    What you do today has everything to do with what the forerunners did in the past. If you are a TRUE Gospel artist, you have a deep sense of roots: you appreciate where SGM has been, where it is, and where it's going. How can you get TO, if you don't understand where you came FROM?

  9.    Keith Prater ~ 01/04/2006

    It seems to me that if I am a "true gospel artist," it would be based on what Jesus has done inside of me rather than my attachment to what the Speers, Stamps, or Statemen did back in the good ol' days. Whether I should sing for ministry or entertainment, or whether I should sing one style or another isn't based on what someone else did in the past, but on what is in my heart today -- whether that comes from my own thoughts or from God. My root is within my own self, what God has put in me. I rely on that when I am writing new songs or singing in church, not what others did in the past. I respect what the forerunners did, but I do not get too disturbed if I stray from their example. God is a greater song-giver than they.

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  10.    Kevin Wicker ~ 01/04/2006

    Well said.

  11.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/09/2006

    Gospel singing isn't ordained to be a ministry. God has ordained the only the five-fold ministry to be that which is called. I'm not saying that you can't minister when you're singing in a group, but to truly call it a ministry is not found in the New Testament.

  12.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/09/2006

    TJ [mam/sir]? ---With all due respect, what would your definition of "ministry" be? Within the body of most churches there are MANY types of ministries. Seems that you have very narrow version of what ministry is. Perhaps giving you the benefit of the doubt, in philosophy or theology, one could possibly exclude singing from "Ministry"? I don't see that myself however. It would be interesting to me hear how you came to that conclusion that singing is not a minsitry. No offense with my comments to you on that particular subject but I strongly disagree as will many other people.

  13.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/11/2006

    John,
    Looks like your article this month has inspired some to join the "is gospel singing ministry or entertainment" debate. This debate, as you eloquently point out, has been going on for quite some time, and is destined to continue.
    Personally, when I attend a gospel concert, I am there for entertainment.....but, I fully expect to receive a blessing........and I always do.
    Thanks for another informative article about the music that I love best.

  14.    Cliff Cerce ~ 01/13/2006

    Another great article, John.

    But, I think some are taking the basic direction of your article off-track. What I hear you saying is that, primarily, groups were originally hired to sing for business reasons - to demonstrate the song books and allow people to hear the songs.

    I remember in the 60's going into my favorite record shop downtown where the proprietor would pull a brand new RCA Stereo Blackwood Brothers album off of the shelf (at my request) and than break the shrink wrap and play a song or 2 from it - demonstrating what the album sounded like. When I was a teenager and had to be selective as to which albums I could afford to shell out 5 whole bucks for (can you imagine?), this helped me decide which ones to buy.

    It would be a stretch to say that the record store proprietor was involved in the "ministry" of playing Gospel records for evangelistic purposes. He clearly was displaying his wares for busines purposes - and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.

    A salesman at a Bible Book Store would certainly not be doing something wrong in showing me four or five choices in Bibles I was considering to purchase - but this would clearly be the demonstration of product - not the spreading of God's Word - even though it caused me to read the pages. His motivation and purpose there in the store was to sell Bibles.

    And the early Gospel Groups, for the most part, had a great job. They got to sing songs about Jesus for a living while supporting their families and helping their employers sell song books. Nothing wrong with that - sure beats digging a ditch all day long.

    But, it's my guess that John is going to deal in the days ahead with how God took what was happening and found a way to use it for evangelistic purposes and to see souls won to His kingdom. Groups began to learn how to minister through their songs, with God's help, and the God who promised that His Word would never return to Him void - began to use the words of the songs to touch peoples' lives and to be glorified.

    Nothing wrong with that either.

    I don't understand the controversy between ministry vs entertainment. When I was in Bible College preparing for the ministry, I was taught to prepare and deliver a sermon in a way that would entertain and keep the attention of the audience - while being sure to minister effectively to their needs. I was taught that I would be able to reach more people if I would hone my craft so I could be more interesting and entertaining in my presentation - as more would come to hear me.

    And I do not believe that Jesus, who worked many miracles that attracted crowds to His teaching, has a problem with that. John 6:2 says that the multitudes followed Him because of His miracles. Jesus did not stop doing miracles - because of wishing they would follow Him because of His more-important teaching. Rather, He kept doing miracles - drawing larger crowds that He could then influence with His teaching.

    That makes sense to me. There is a reason why Ernie Haase & SS draws greater crowds than we do. They are more entertaining than we are. As a result, I am sure more will accept the Lord because of their ministry in 2006 than will through ours.

    So, I will work with my group to be much more entertaining - for the good motive of being able to ultimately reach more people for Christ. It is hard to reach them - if they sat home watching TV the night I was in their town.

    Certainly, some groups see themselves as entertainers only. But, Gospel Music evolved to a state where people started coming to the Lord and being uplifted as a result of their SHOWING UP at the concerts - coming in the first place to have a good time.

    And, I think this evolution of Gospel Music is where John is going in this excellent history lesson he is providing for us.

    So, what's wrong with having a good time while we are being ministered to? Our favorite preachers afford us that opportunity on a regular basis - why not our favorite singers?

  15.    Cliff Cerce ~ 01/13/2006

    One other thought -

    Someone has previously posted that Gospel Music is excluded from the 5-fold ministry. This is a very narrow opinion, at best.

    The "5-fold ministry" refers to the list Paul gave in Ephesians 4. They are listed in verse 11 as apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers.

    Some contend that this is really a "4-fold" ministry - taking the position that "pastors and teachers" were one of four divisions.

    Regardless, evangelists are clearly included. Evangelists are, by definition, those that travel spreading the message of the Gospel. A pastor's ministry is generally centered in one place - while an evangelist travels all over.

    We are evangelists in the truest sense. We not only sing from town to town - we also present the Gospel in the spoken word.

    Before one tries to downplay a Gospel group's involvement in speaking and preaching the word - remember that there has NEVER existed a Gospel group in modern times who has not been accused regularly of "talking too much and not singing enough" in church services.

    If you say that singers are not especially mentioned in Paul's list, I will also point out that neither are missionaries. Next to Jesus, Paul was the greatest missionary of all time. I wonder if he felt he belonged in the 5-fold ministry?

  16.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/14/2006

    Deon Unthank's avatar "religiosos" - Kevin, where did you learn that big word and what does it mean...... LOL

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  17.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/16/2006

    Does anyone know how to get permission to use stamps and baxter music on a missionry cd presentation? Its on an old cassete tape I have called Gospel Sing-a-Long ZLP 954s.

  18.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/17/2006

    How can a gospel group stand on stage, for an event that sells tickets, stand on stage and sing the same set they did the night before, get paid a flat that is contractually bound, and call it ministry? Paul was an apostle...as well as an evangelist, but he didn't have a flat rate to go and preach, he was led of the Holy Ghost. Groups many times have to call, desperately for bookings and dates, just to make payroll...again, I dont see how that is defined as ministry.

  19.    Cliff Cerce ~ 01/17/2006

    TJ,

    If you were privy to many of the dealings and negotiations between board and pastor (both when the pastor originally comes to the church - and at times when he is seekig a raise) - you would probably not call a pastor part of a real ministry - regardless of what Paul wrote in Ephesians 4. After all, the very definition of "ministering for a flat" is being the salaried Pastor of a church. If that isn't accepting a flat for ministry, then nothing is.

    And, even though "evangelists" are specifically mentioned as part of the 5-fold ministry in Ephesians 4, one many not want to hear their favorite evangelist minister at their home church for a week if they knew of the negotiations and "guarantees" they had to obtain in order to arrive there - including stipulations concerning the nature of lodging and meals. And - talk about making a lot of phone calls to secure a booking......

    I do not criticize a pastor or evangelist for how they conduct their business - nor am I saying that I disapprove of salaried positions. I am too busy trying to be faithful to my Lord to what He has required of me to judge another of His servants.

    But, I believe that Jesus made it clear that "fruit" was the indication of what constituted a true ministry. Rather than paint everything with broad brushes (pastors are in real ministry - Gospel singers are not), a proper Scriptural approach would be to examine the fruit of each individual ministry.

    I believe that one would find that some pastors and singers are merely hirelings - while other singers and pastors are true ministers - and the fruit consistently born to their ministry bears this out.

    For the record - we do not "call desperately for bookings" but generally seek to go through the doors that the Lord has opened for us. One of my biggest failings is that I do not spend enough time on the phone, contacting every referral we have received from churches and pastors where we have been - and I am purposing to do better at that this year.

    And, we still go everywhere on a free-will offering basis, and it is sufficient to support us. However, I do not criticize others who reach agreements beforehand with churches as to how they will be compensated. That is as much between them and the churches as it is when the church and the pastor reach an agreement about the pastoral salary package.

    But, I'm a little offended that someone can label a group that consistently sees at least a hundred souls saved every year a non-ministry - while being aware that most churches and pastors do not see a hundred souls won each year - yet they are considered ministries because of the terminology.

    It seems to put aside what Jesus said about bearing fruit.

    Does anyone else out there see it like we do?

  20.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/17/2006

    TJ, the same thing could be asked of many evangelists or pastors. They preach the same sermons, they negotiate their fees, and many of them beg for bookings in order to meet payroll. None of that makes it any less of a ministry.

  21.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/19/2006

    I think there is one more avenue that no one has mentioned. In all of our gospel music "shows," we explain to those present that we are there to "encourage" them. Yes, we do entertain them, but most of the people we encounter come for that purpose, to be entertained and encouraged. We try to sing music that does that, encourage. I prefer to think that we are entertainers, but we have a different message in our songs.

  22.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/19/2006

    As a former SG artist, I remember a time when I heard criticism about the Kingsmen being more entertainers than ministers because of Jim Hamill's humor. I couldn't believe that people could find fault when their program included so much ministry! As has been said previously, singing gospel music has to be entertaining to the audience in order to draw people to come in to hear the message. I have never understood the criticism of someone being entertaining at the same time they are presenting the gospel. As long as the message of salvation is also given and the Spirit is there, both entertainment and ministry are going to be accomplished...entertainment for the Christian and ministry for the unsaved.

    Also, with all the bad entertainment in the world, what is wrong with Christians going to a concert to have some good, clean, spiritual entertainment. Is that a sin? Not in my humble opinion. What is wrong with doing something that is positive and uplifting and living a joyous life. No offense, T.J., but there are many things in life that are connected to fellowship for Christians that do not have to be serious ministry--homecoming dinners, youth roller skating fellowships, ladies scrapbooking fellowships, etc. Those are not ministry oriented, but can be used as an outreach to draw others to your church to hear the preaching. Not everything a Christian enjoys has to be serious ministry-driven. What's wrong with Christians having fun in a good clean way?

  23.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/20/2006

    I too am a former southern gospel artist. I guess later in my spritual walk, I realized that I was more of an entertainer than a minister when I traveled. Whether it was a cruise or a small church, my heart at times felt empty afterwards about how much of a show we did. Yes, I believe I was ministering, and yes I know there is nothing wrong with Christian entertainment, and Thank God for the many great and talented entertainers in southern gospel. I just don't see it as an ordained ministry. Thank God it is reaching out to people, I'm a product of that.

  24.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/20/2006

    Deon Unthank's avatar tj, you are losing me here. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You say you were ministering, yet it was not ministry..... That makes no sense. There are thousands of men and women who are out there every weekend delivering the message of the Gospel. How they deliver it is not what makes them a ministry or not. There have been thousands of souls saved by clown ministries, drama ministries, and others that some would call entertainment in their presentation. They are still ministries. You make it sound like there is nothing spoken about God or His Word. Even at concerts there is always talk of God and what He's done in lives, in addition to the message in the music.
    The guy who heads your music program at church does not necessarily preach, yet he's called the Minister of Music. Why, because he is minstering to the people. Is he ordained in his ministry? I sure hope so.
    Maybe it wasn't a ministry for you, or maybe you just didn't accept His call in that area, but either way, it IS an ordained ministry for many, many workers in the Gospel today.

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  25.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/21/2006

    For example: "EVIDENCE" is the premiere outreach music ministry group of The Gospel Quartet Society, Inc., Ms. Charlotte Ball President.

    The Gospel Quartet Society, Inc. is a wholly unique organization in the United States. We meet every week and sing Southern Gospel Music, we teach vocal technique and we form up into quartets and sing in individual groups. Once a month the membership goes to retirement homes or care facilities and sings for the people in these settings. To some it’s the closest thing to church they have.

    Once in a while a group such as “EVIDENCE” will come to the forefront and will become an outreach music ministry operating independently but under the ownership and corporate umbrella of The Gospel Quartet Society, Inc.

    We as members of "EVIDENCE" and "EVIDENCE" itself has been independently commissioned into music ministry by the Family Life Community Church in Anaheim, California. "EVIDENCE" was commissioned into Music Ministry and are we entertaining? You betcha. I don’t k now anywhere in the Bible where I could I find any verse that says when your are spreading the good news of Jesus Christ that you have to be boring and uninteresting.

    We are all ministers in music for the expressed purpose of spreading the good news of Jesus Christ in Song, and we, the members of "EVIDENCE" show for all to see what the love of Jesus has done in our lives. Our singing is alive, vital and Spirit Filled and we have fun doing it. Can a music ministry or for that face any ministry be entertaining? Yes, it most certainly can be and I believe that we have a truly…”Entertaining Music Ministry”.

  26.    gaye joyce ~ 01/23/2006

    The question asked was what is the primary purpose of gospel music, ministry or entertainment? I feel that as a Christian whether I eat, or drink, or whatsoever I do, I do all to the glory of God! EVERYTHING in a believers life must be ministry-sharing the good news and pointing others toward Christ. Whether your a business man, garbage collector or singer. The question is what are your motives and who are you trying to uplift? I agree with others who have commented that ministry can be also entertaining. Jesus himself entertained the multitudes. Who wouldn't want to see the lame walk, the blind to see, the thousands feed! Christ emphasis was not on the miracles but who they pointed to-God. I am all for God's work to be entertaining but the focus should be on Christ! I know from hearing from others that singers can get in a rut from singing the same concert town after town. But I also know that in my own life I can get in a rut. I go to church, sing the songs, say the prayers, shake hands, say all the right things and not focus on worshiping God. But as a beleiver I try to focus on worshiping JESUS. That way when I go to a concert, or listen to singer at my church God, not the singer, can speak to me. When groups or individuals are trying to soley make money (and call themselves a business, as quoted of Dave Carter) I don't think they have a ministry, they have a business. They should take the name gospel away from their portrayal. Elvis sang gospel music, Dolly Parton sings gospel songs, even resently I heard Madonna sing a gospel Christmas song. This in no terms means they are a minister of the gospel. They are singing songs to make money not to uplift Christ. But when Christians are seeking to uplift God and spread His message then it is a ministry and I feel there is NOTHING wrong with entertaining!

  27.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/23/2006

    Boy! This discussions sure opened up a BIG can of worms! Aren't we missing something here...the fact is that whether our gospel music is "entertainment," or "ministry," is not how we "perceive" it, but rather how the listeners "receive" it. Every time my group goes to a location to do a program, we do our very best to present the gospel in song. We are NOT reponsible for the result, but rather for the presentation.

    With that in mind, we are ministers of the Word (in song), and believe me I have seen hardened sinners come to Christ through the words and music of a song, with no thought as to whether it was entertainment, or ministry.

    That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it!

  28.    Cliff Cerce ~ 01/23/2006

    Right on, chuckulz.

    We, also, couldn't care less what label you put on what we offer to the Lord - be it ministry or entertainment.

    We are doing it as unto Him, not to our critics.

    And - fasten your seatbelt - those saved through our ministry for all eternity will not care whether others felt it was ministry or entertainment.

    We're just thankful that our critics and detractors only have silly non-issues to fuss about with us. If the most serious accusation that they bring against us is that people had too good a time at our concerts, I guess we'll be able to bear it.

  29.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/23/2006

    I go with what I wrote previously..."We provide an entertaining ministry. Any one who has ever heard us wouldn't care what you called it, but when someone comes to the alter railing a recieves the Lord, I become very clear for me that... we are an effective, entertaining ministry. Any questions?

  30.    TonyRush ~ 01/28/2006

    TonyRush's avatar I think JD Sumner offered the simplest answer to the question of "what is the PRIMARY purpose", the answer can be found at the front door. JD's answer was direct: if you bought a ticket, it's a business.

    Do the performers hope someone is ministered to? Of course. But, if you take the money out of it, none of them would be there.

    Tony

    By the way, it says “Working Hard” over my picture.
    That’s actually not true.  I rarely work hard.  smile

    TonyRush.com

  31.    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) ~ 01/31/2006

    Our dad was an "old time preacher man", and he used to say. "If you are going to talk the talk, you better walk the walk".
    We have found in traveling over the last year and ministering in song that there are a lot of people everywhere that are looking for groups that will minister. They are looking for the answer to their problems. They are looking for a song that will touch their soul.
    Before you go into a church service or a concert, pray to God that he will have his way and pray that people will be touched. Pray for God to give you a fresh anointing and let God do his work through you. God will not fail!!!

    2nd Generation
    http://www.2ndgenerationministries.com
    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
    Bookings-Brenda Denney
    913-710-5227



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